The Statement: Speaking during a campaign stop Monday, Oct. 20 in Belton, Missouri, Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain criticized Democratic opponent Sen. Barack Obama's proposals on taxes. "The Obama tax increase would come at the worst possible time for America, and especially for small businesses like the one Joe dreams of owning," McCain said. "The small businesses Senator Obama would tax provide 16 million jobs in America."
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The Facts: McCain's criticism appears primarily aimed at Obama's personal income tax proposals — which he says would give tax cuts or leave taxes the same for individuals who make less than $200,000 or families that earn less than $250,000 — but increase them on people making more. Roughly 85 percent of small businesses are taxed at the owner's personal income tax rate, according to an editorial in the Wall Street Journal. Most of those businesses earn less than $250,000 a year.
The McCain campaign uses figures from a National Federation of Independent Business survey to back up its claim. The survey says 12 percent of business owners who employ between one and nine people earn more than $200,000 a year — as do 27 percent of those who employ 10-19 people and 50 percent of those who employ between 20 and 250 workers. Obama says $200,000 is the lowest income level at which an individual would see a tax increase under his plan.
But in assuming all of those business owners would see an increase, the McCain campaign appears to suppose that all of the business owners making between $200,000 and $250,000 would file their taxes individually, not jointly with a spouse or other family member. And roughly 15 percent of small businesses aren't taxed based on the owner's personal income rate, as the Journal notes. Based on those facts, it's impossible to know exactly how many of those business owners would see a tax hike — but it surely would not be 100 percent.
The McCain campaign uses census figures to estimate how many people work for the businesses it says would be impacted — an effort McCain spokesman Brian Rogers acknowledges is "admittedly a rough estimate." The NFIB says the number of jobs small businesses create is "impossible to calculate," in part because some people only work at small businesses part-time while holding down full time jobs with a bigger employer.
The Verdict: False. McCain uses an overly broad interpretation of the NFIB survey's figures — applying Obama's tax plan to those figures in a way that is highly unlikely to match reality.
Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/21/fact-check-would-obama-h...
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Thank you for laying it out for us. Great post!
1So are you talking about Income Tax or Obama's plan to tax businesses that make over 250K?
2I think the article is clear no? If not you can email the source.
3Good lord Dream.
4What??? I can't answer your question so I'm directing you to the source - which is why I always post one.
5Sheesh...I think that Obama uses an 'overly broad interpretation' of any figure when he states that 95% of americans will not see an increase in taxes...
6When over 30% of that 95% don't pay taxes.
7Is that really true???? If they don't pay taxes anyway -- how are they getting a break??
8People who don't pay taxes don't get tax credits.
9No it's not true. Turn on any news station other than Fox and you will hear someone scream it at you before too long.
10I would call government provided healthcare a definite break for anyone and everyone not paying taxes...
11So -- people should just die if they don't pay taxes?? Correct me if I'm wrong -- but if you were to loose your job - you technically wouldn't be paying taxes -- so therefore you should die??
12I have sympathy for the people that don't have the opportunities, education, brains, health, mental health, support, etc that others do, so I think universal health care is needed. Plus, we're all getting ripped off by insurance/drug companies running the show.
13Call me crazy, but I am pretty sure there is a low cost VERY nice public health clinic within 5 miles of me...
14I am sure...my tax dollars pay for it...
15Once again, there are MANY programs ALREADY in place for these issues, but they are widely abused in my opinion...yet, in some cases very necessary.
16There are so many people who are underserved. I've seen a lot of it firsthand.
17Then they need to weed out the abusers -- but honestly -- I don't want to see anyone die because of social status or money.
18We start just giving away healthcare for free and you could very well die...you'd have to wait days, weeks, months for services.
19Wren, how so...I am truly interested in your view
20dream...here is a link to the one right in my area, not too shabby
http://www.clayhealth.com/index.html
21I used free health care once when I was out of work ad I'm thankful for it.
22*and
23Well, it doesn't always work that way in large counties, such as Cook County, San Francisco County. I worked in Cook County Hospital and it was really sad.
24I am not against helping people...but I feel like I am beating a dead horse...we ALREADY have free/low cost programs that are widely abused...how is making them larger going to solve the problem...we just pay more tax, have less money, then people HAVE to depend on the government. This is my problem, democrats WANT a big government...we have already gone somewhat socialist with this buyout...that unfortunately neither candidate stood up for the people when it came time to vote...I'm just saying it does not need to be worse.
25that is where state government comes in...not washington
26Sadly, US banks do this abroad...they make loans to other countries and completely impoverish people because they become reliant on the government due to the loans defaulting...
27Can we not do the socialist thing here.
28I don't know how it's widely abused.
29And for me, I'd like for people to BE ABLE to depend on the government for health care. So probably there we just have a fundamental difference. I can see where you are coming from. We have different ideas about who we'd like to be accountable.
And not everyone is going to do the government health care thing.
30There is a former 'government' bank/investment employee that has written a book 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' I strongly encourage anyone remotely interested in politics read it...
31I could be mistaken...but I recall hearing that Obama plans to penalize those who do not participate...and if we are paying for it with taxes it is silly to pay twice...and we won't...there will likely be no privatized health care at that point...this is what Obama doesn't say...or denies of course
32There are many points of view regarding the experience of working for ogvernment. When I worked in the Pediatric department, people would have a 6 month wait to be seen at our clinic. They didn't have the opportunity to abuse the system. So, it's not always working smoothly as it stands now.
33[I could be mistaken...but I recall hearing that Obama plans to penalize those who do not participate...]
That's wrong -- that was in the debate -- he said if you have it fine -- but if you don't.....
34So, the government should be accountable for those who come here illegally or those who choose not to work, because, why should they...if the government will take care of them
Call me old fashioned, I just think we should take care of ourselves, be accountable for ourselves, keep the majority of the money we work hard for and in doing so the goverment does have a role
35[So, the government should be accountable for those who come here illegally]
No -- the candidates both have an immigration plan and that a separate issue/problem.
[Call me old fashioned, I just think we should take care of ourselves]
36I paid into it -- I lost my job and when I needed it -- it was there -- it was nothing major but I'm thankful for it
So, wren, I am all for my tax dollars creating a more efficient government...we/I pay so much in taxes now...why is this not sufficient
37Obama says alot...but he has already gone against his promise on funding for his campaign...
38I wish it worked efficiently, too. Nobody wants to feel like their hard-earned tax money is just going down the tubes.
39I would like to have a government in place that will evaluate programs and figure out how they could be better, as opposed to just ignoring the need or keeping them working inefficiently as is.
This is a whole other thread...perhaps for another day
He is campaigning around the world and taking money from questionable sources...I will find my info on it...it all relates back to his father, college, his contacts and those who supported and paid for his schooling...and I don't believe he has even provided and american birth certificate...
I know I am opening a can of worms here...but, we can kindly debate another day...it is waaay past my bedtime...
as I am sure you do...these issues get me all worked up, I need to sleep...
40I agree wren...
41It's past my political bedtime for sure, lol.
42Night!
[Obama says alot...but he has already gone against his promise on funding for his campaign...]
His answer was IF I was the president candidate - I would talk about it with my opponent -- Olbermann cover that yesterday and I actually feel better that he's taking donations instead of a handout from the government (IE: tax payer money to clothe his family - Palin)
43*covered
44He is taking 'donations' from other governments around the world...the man who is running as an American President
45I will get my sources and get back to you
46Please because I heard all that was rubbish - yet McCain solicited international donations. I blogged about that a few days ago.
47"Obama says alot...but he has already gone against his promise on funding for his campaign..."
I am curious what this is on reference to?? And please tell us what other countries are funding his campaign?
48To get back to comment #8,
"If they don't pay taxes anyway -- how are they getting a break??"
Refundable tax credits.
Digging into the Obama Tax Plan
An excerpt (note that the "S" word is not mine, but in the text):
"Now, I understand that many people believe wealth redistribution is not only economically beneficial but morally preferable. That’s fine. But for those who aren’t eager to move our nation towards a more socialistic model, it’s important to understand that Obama’s “tax cut” is not a decrease in rates. In fact, the Obama campaign can’t even answer what rates will go down. And an analysis by fellows of the American Enterprise Institute concluded that Obama’s plan would actually increase marginal rates (decide the veracity of that analysis for yourself, I’m not a tax expert and cannot independently verify the conclusion)."
http://donklephant.com/2008/10/17/digging-into-the-obama-tax-plan/
49Please provide us with specifics on McCain's plan (down to the percentage or dollar)
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